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Thursday, June 1, 2017

I Will Survive, by Borba [FULL COMIC]

Are you ready for fantastic art?
Yeah!

Are you ready for a comic from this guy?
YEAH!

Are you ready for the most controversial comic the fandom has ever seen?
YEA-wait, what?

Then brace yourselves for the highly debated and much-discussed comic, I Will Survive!

I'll be up-front about it, this comic is about the subjects of unwanted pregnancy, abortion, and the rights of the father and the mother regarding those topics.  It isn't pleasant.  It isn't sweet or funny.  And it does not have a happy ending.  If you don't want to see any of those things in your Zootopia comics, turn back now.

That said, major props to Borba, not only for deciding to tackle such a hot-button topic, but for deciding to stick to it even after getting a lot of hate for it.  That's artistic integrity for you.  You have a story to tell, and you see it through to the end.  I definitely look forward to whatever comes next for you, Borba!

You can find the comic over on Deviantart, or read the full thing in its entirety after the break!





52 comments:

  1. This is... this is right up there with Judy is dead in terms of heart wrenching!

    Guess Borba seeks to take Meads crown as "King of Zootopian feels".

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  2. This was amazing. Absolutely amazing.

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    1. Shut up if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it

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    2. nick's completely out of character here, and judy is basically being punished for something she is completely in the right about. the art's good but thats basically it

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    3. Even though you are right about Judy being in the right, I'm willing to be she doesn't feel the same way by the time the last panel come around and the only other person to truly believe in her walks out. Ya she wont have to give birth to a possible abomination, ya she'll get to keep doing her job but at what cost? She's likely never going to see Nick again, she's going to have to explain why he's not around anymore to her parents and her coworkers and possible catch a lot of flak from them, then word will likely reach the public about it and I'm sure the press would just love to ruin Judy's reputation as city hero, it's just all down hill from here as I see it.

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    4. why the heck ya'll gotta be so depressing about the dumb animal cartoon

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    5. Because you have to talk smack about a fictional situation, about fictional characters, in a non-canon relationship. That and I believe she made a poor choice in saying her career was the most important reason for not wanting the child, she could have left it at being afraid of it being some sort of monster and maybe they could have worked it out but she didn't witch makes me think that Nick feels that he was nothing more then just a lay to her, that nothing he could ever give her would mean more to her the her career, and the their relationship was one sided! As a guy I can't say for any woman how scary it must feel to know there's another living being inside you, but if I loved someone as much as we all hope these to do, I would be willing to give up everything to stay with them.

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    6. i can talk smack when i think something's bad

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    7. Yes you can, just as I can inform you of the long term effects of a bad dissension, like choosing work of the only person that believed in you.

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    8. You are completely allowed to think that it is a bad comic, but if you do, don't just say "it is shit" talk about what you dislike about the comic and how it can improve, it makes for good conversation

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  4. This is a close second to Judy is dead as in
    #1 Judy is dead
    #2 I will survive
    And #3 ..... Well let's see what's next

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    1. Although its not finished, you probably could put there in the third position:

      That's how real love looks like"

      I think...

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  5. Wow! I'm impressed that ZNN featured this! Not that it doesn't deserve the feature, but this comic has had the tendency to make people quite vehement in their opinions. I'm glad that possibility seems to have been embraced by ZNN, to be honest.

    Did I like the comic? No. No I did not. I've previously given a thorough critique on it regarding where I think it needs improvement. That said, I want to repost something I posted in the discussion on DeviantArt:

    "I respect Borba for going through with this. It's why I stayed for the whole comic, despite feeling like it may have needed some extra work. (I didn't disagree with the concept, or even the sad result - that's totally up to the artist - but rather with how it was pulled off.) Just because I may not like the comic, it doesn't mean I can't respect the artist for it. I hope you can see that too.

    To others: I hope you can find it within you to give Borba some credit, too. This whole thing has been very heated. (Granted, that may have been expected given the particular focus of the comic.) WildeHopps shipper or not, pro-life or pro-choice, I hope you can agree that we're all here to enjoy the Zootopia material in our own way. It's what makes us fans. Borba has enjoyed it in his own way, and there are plenty out there who actually liked the comic. You or I may not be in that group, but it doesn't mean we should all ruin each-other's enjoyment by fighting about it."

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    1. Props to you for taking a level-headed approach to all of this, you're one of the very few people who didn't like the comic to do this (most others I've read are all "it's all awful, borba is terrible" etc etc).

      And props to borba for taking his idea and sticking with it through thick and thin, through the positive and negative feedback.

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  6. Most realistic story I've encountered featuring Zootopia in a while. Artist needs more support for doing this.

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  7. Good comic i must say and these seeing that takes a topic very difficult to approach with height of sights as is the theme of that Judy can have a baby and that she must sacrifice her work by have a baby that Nick wants that live and with these show that is possible to have a son in despite of being of different species, altough of course, the controversy of that Judy must choose between her son or her work isn't always pleasant and specially when you're first time father and all that you want is have a son that permit to enjoy of the joys that means to have a son and be a father for him, because the love that the parents give for your sons is a force difficult of break and that the pro-life and pro-choice positions tend to shock to the grade that become very extreme because i'm pro life, but i'm respect the difficult decision that Judy gives because she didn't want to have a baby in first place, but will must to burden the fact of have him and how she'll must work the double for that these son can to survive and know that he had a father that wasn't able to meet because Judy and Nick couldn't relax their postures and with these the two finished to take ways very different that is possible that never can get together again and maybe carry the weight that means to have a son that they didn't want to have and that maybe the son would finish carrying the stigma of being "born by accident"

    Good comic and congralutations to William Borba by take a complicated theme and that only the persons that they want to have son and have a family think twice before of make it, because is a decision that can be a blessing or a curse depending of how do you feel ready you are of take of a decision that you'll carry the weight of it the rest of your live and the people that they have parents means the diffcult that is having a son and specially when you need to find a equilibrum between your familiy and your jobs, thing that isn't easy of take a decision and these is that Judy and Nick showed in this comic that the pro-life and pro-choice postures shock and so much that is difficulty that the discussion can have a happy ending as showed in this comic

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  8. Boy oh boy do I hate this story... love the work just hate the story keep it up borbas you may reach Meads level soon cuz this didn't even tear me up JID did so shoot for da stars

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  9. Oh yea, what about her "Try Everything" kind of live? What a tough choice. Because of that kind of live Judy become like these...

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  10. This story could and should have been amazing. A well eritten break up with a difficult subject like abortion thrown in the mix (not necessarily this specifically) is something Inwould be interested in reading.

    This was not. After Page 15 and the slap/scratch it all gradually falls apart for me. I had appreciated it focusing on the emotional burden of the subject matter without bringing up the politics or religion, but Nick's "premidated sin" line undid that, and it was the one genuinely positive thing I'd had to say about the story up to that point.

    It was an angsty for the sake of it and poorly characterised. Judy is so fundamentally out of character that I wonder just what's happened between the film and this comic to make her become so utterly unempathetic. If this had focused on her health concerns and fear for the child's well being I might have bought into it, but her particular emphasis on her career over her ideals made her seem selfish, and it felt contrived to boot.

    There's a similar problem with Nick as well. Instead of focusing on his need to be the father he never got to have, he seems more focused on being judgemental towards Judy. And his dialogue at the end of page 19 is especially hammy, given how seriouly the story is taking itself throughout.

    Definitely should have been about two OC's and honestly? It needed to be longer because in real time this really was just 20 minutes to half an hour, like a soap opera episode on fast forward

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    1. This was typed on an iPad. Wish I could back and fix the typos :c

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    2. this is basically how i feel but better stated and less angry

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    3. This was my opinion as well, which is why I choose to give high respect to the author despite not liking the comic. Most authors wouldn't have even attempted such material! That said, I'm like you in that I think this particular portrayal needs some work. The way I previously put it was like this:

      Most fanfiction is inherently out-of-character simply by evolving the characters past where they were in the movie; when the character is changed (organically or not), they become OOC. The trick as an author is to make your OOC interpretation make sense. I think the reason many have issue with this particular interpretation is due to three issues: Lack of setup, choice of dialogue, and consistency. Let me explain.

      LACK OF SETUP: Granted, more setup for a comic would mean a boatload of more work, but I've seen many a fan-work use these characters in OOC ways which have been loved and praised! What was often the difference was setup - taking the time to establish the setting and/or characters via backstory or progression. That setup is basically the author saying "look, I know this isn't exactly official, but work with me here". Setup allows the audience to see the characters they love somewhere within the OOC interpretation, connecting to them! One of the main problems with Borba's comic is that we're plopped right into this mess without any point of reference OTHER than the movie. Thus the OOC moments become unacceptable and we no longer recognize the characters. Example: Judy says "I did everything for my career" when, in the movie, she literally gives up her career at one point. We've been given no other reference within the comic itself to believe a different side of her than what was evidenced in the movie.

      CHOICE OF DIALOGUE: I give insane kudos to Borba for having the guts to try to tackle such a controversial topic, and in such an unsatisfactory way. ("Happy sunshine rainbows" can get old.) It is a touchy subject with a lot of gray area. I see that perhaps Borba may have wanted to convey that message, but the dialogue makes it fall flat. If the point was to show how they are both wrong or how messy/complicated this can be, then more time needed to be spent not making each character completely one-sided. Neither of them really appear to have ANY doubts or conflictions regarding their opinions, and both often sound like their lines are taken straight from protestor signs. This takes the focus away from the characters and the reality I think Borba was going for. You can't tackle a gray area when the characters refuse to be gray. The same conclusions could've been arrived at by both characters, but in a weightier way.

      CONSISTENCY: The characters aren't consistent within the comic itself. (Nit-picky example: Judy finds it necessary to roughly wake Nick up, but then waits for him to take a shower?) After telling Nick she's made her decision to abort the baby partly due to her career, she immediately slaps/scratches him for accusing her of killing her baby for her career. She asks to talk before and after the argument, yet essentially tells him there's nothing to talk about. Nick goes on an emotional rollercoaster where he tells Judy "I thought I knew you but I was wrong", yet somehow later goes on a rant explaining what a great mammal she is (hasn't his image of her already been horribly crushed?). Some of this can be explained with the fact that people aren't rational or consistent when emotionally stressed, but... when mixed with the Setup and Dialogue issues, it makes it too difficult to be attached to the characters. It feels all over the place.

      I honestly think there's enough evidence in their characterizations in the movie that you could spin these characters the way Borba has. (Nick being religious, for example, isn't actually a farfetched spin on his character.) As such, I'm sad he's been given flak for the subject material and his chosen result.

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    4. you should consider politics with word crafting like that Wayward, I think you summed up just about how everyone feels.

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    6. I don't agree with people giving Borba flak simply for writing about a difficult topic or indeed, writing a sad WildeHopps story. Both are ideas with great potential, it's just the execution that was lacking here.

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  11. My only complaint is how improbable this is. While they were together, it should've come naturally all mention of
    having children. Even saying they would adopt later would've turned this differently. Nick shouldn't be surprised to find she's focused on her career.

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  12. And this comic has the longest comment ever since znn was created (cmiiw)

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    1. Not quite. Surrika's review of "The Confusing Success of Zootopia" has over 70 comments. Still, very impressive.

      http://www.zootopianewsnetwork.com/2017/03/the-confusing-success-of-zootopia.html

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    2. Unless you're talking about longest singular comment, referring to my wall-of-text. In which case I wouldn't be surprised if you were right! xD
      (Sorry if it's an eyesore. I may have gotten carried away.)

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    3. Hahaha no need to sorry, i enjoy reading your thoughts lol.
      And u r right, I meant the longest singular comment. I wasn't sure what words to use since im not english xD

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  13. I love this comic.. *gets chased out of room* It's something to put in consideration, and just like the first comment, it is up there with Judy is dead, along the lines of heart wrenching, I just never would think Nick would do something like that😂 but overall great comic🤙

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    1. Nah! Stay! *grabs arm and pulls back into room* We need people here who like the comic. You balance out us critics! Good for you for speaking up!

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  14. The things people will create to try and push their agendas, to then not even present a decent portrayal of the subject matter.

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  15. Oh yeah this one is controversial; I've counted at least 5 different running debates (slash-arguments) on the media sources I use, and I'm sure that on the actual deviantart and tumblr pages it's even worse. I like Borba for the art style he uses, the characters are well-drawn, and that he's willing to take on darker topics, but I'm throwing in my lot with those who say this could have been a whole lot better if set up and played out more realistically, and I honestly think if the characterization had been on point the conversation would have ended very, very differently for the two of them. Judy's career-oriented, we know that, but her career is based on her drive to make the world, and others in it, better; combine that with what would undoubtedly be a strong familial influence on her having grown up in the household she did there's no way she'd end up throwing out a call like that, let alone shutting Nick down about it without giving his side of the conversation serious consideration.
    Nick I could see more likely being the one who would be uncomfortable with the thought of a child to raise, especially if he was distant from his own parents and didn't believe himself a good role model for it, but being pulled along by Judy's optimism as he has he'd probably be more willing to take the chance just for her alone. Altogether I definitely think other characters would have been better to portray a struggle like this, perhaps with a scene to link them to other Zootopia characters like Nick and Judy but different mammals in their own right because this is so beyond the style of the characters used that it couldn't possibly actually be the rabbit and fox we all know from the movie.

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  16. Honestly, I could see Judy and Nick in these portrayals - though I do agree, they are very exaggerated (or at least, certain aspects are). It also seems believable to me, considering how things went in the span of, like, 10 minutes. However, I like to think that, at some point, they would have calmed down enough to not let this happen, but at the same time, I have to applaud Borba for sticking to his guns, and not wussing out with any sort of happy ending.

    I also appreciate one of the messages this comic conveys - that being that if you don't have open communication with your significant other (and that could be applied, to a lesser extent, to any friends or family), it can blow up in your face eventually. For a guy like me, where communication like that does not come naturally at all, this message is most definitely welcome.

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  17. Everyone said what I wanted to already. An unbalanced comic about different types of strawmen at different points in the comic, inconsistent characterization, horribly fumbled sociopolitical grandstanding that, oddly, can't decide where it wants to grandstand, soap opera levels of melodramatic cheese and nothing of any redeeming value beyond forced dramatic feelies. It's moving for those who want to be moved by cheap sentimentalism. More power to you. Enjoy it heartily.

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  18. Down we go with the comments. xD

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  19. Well my first thought is a job well done by the artist. Truly well done. My second thought is that's going to be pretty awkward going into work the next day.

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  20. The way I've looked at this is that the whole plot of the comic centering around Judy and Nick's arguments regarding abortion is a means to an end, and not the end itself. I saw from about half-way through that this was not going to end well, and I guessed that the message of the comic was not simply about the rights and wrongs of pro-choice vs pro-life: instead, I knew the idea of the comic was that even the most strong relationship can break irreparably. Do I agree with the way it was framed? Not entirely. It would have suited the story better if we had some background on how they got to this place. On top of that, any number of things could have lead to a break-up of the two. It's not unprecedented, after all: it happens, right there in the second act of the movie. "Real life is messy" as Judy puts it in the film. I'm not sold on the presentation, but it is what it is.

    There are some quite clear OOC elements, but at the end of the day doing ANYTHING beyond the scope of the movie - where Nick and Judy are quite plainly just friends - is OOC, so that doesn't bother me as much as it does others.

    All in all, I commend borba for having the courage to sticking with his intentions even when a lot of hate was flung his way. I love his other comics (which are mostly comedies, for those of you who don't want to read this one but like the art) and having done this, I can't wait to see him return to what he's really good at.

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  21. To be honest, I'm very grateful that borba has draw this comic with all of its controversial qualities. Not for the message or the art style, that can be varied depending on personal tastes, I don't care. I want to talk about the impact it has on our fandom in general.

    I remembered he mention somewhere in one of his replies on Deviantart that the reason he was capable of testing out this type of storyline is: he believes in the positive nature of our fandom he has seen so far. Or something like that, I forgot the details. Well, after this whole show, I'm not so sure.

    As a fandom, we Zootopia fans has always been proud of our "acceptance, understanding and peacefulness". Then, borba decide to drop the "I will survive" bomb on us... and a not quite small war occured. It's fasinating to watch, frankly.

    Shit-posting, bashing, name-calling, bullheadness, hateful words, etc., etc. the whole package on every sites this comic was posted.

    Eh??? Suddenly, the peaceful and understanding fandom is not peaceful and understanding anymore. We became the divided crowds exactly like the Pred/Prey situation in the film. For what? A misinformed/misconstructed statement that was not agreeable we see? Or in this general case, a piece of well-intend but slightly poor-executed comic?

    What was the message of the film again? Then look back at the way a large number of us commented on this comic and some nasty things has been and still being thrown at borba. Maybe we haven't learned it well enough, have we?

    Err... At least that was all I got from the whole thing...

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    1. ...Which is why I've actually bothered commenting, to be honest. (Usually I do my very best to not jump into such drama.) I may have written a thorough critique of what I felt were the comic's issues, but I tried to do so with respect. I can still appreciate Borba for his art, pacing, drama, and sheer guts. Despite not personally liking the comic, I actually respect Borba MORE for having made it.

      Thing is, I think the fandom is growing. Which is great! But it also can make it unstable. Previous experience with other fandoms in their early stages has shown that "acceptance, understanding and peacefulness" has tended to weaken with greater size. The greater variety of people and tastes, the greater chance for conflict to occur. That's just natural.

      Other "peaceful" fandoms have quickly grown toxic - a fate I would like to avoid here. (Which is why I've been making an effort to defend Borba, and to encourage those who liked to comic to speak up!) As we progress forward, we all need to make a conscious decision to remember that there is no one correct way to enjoy our fandom. Every fandom will have things you might not like: Angst, tragedy, crossovers, grimdark, erotica, cosplay... Many people would love any number of those, and many would despise them. They're all different ways of expressing the fandom.

      We're all here to have fun. We need to remind ourselves to ACT like it!

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    3. I think the reason we as a fandom cry OOC when bad thing happen to these two but remain silent when they get together is because we see them grow closer to each other in the film, like when Judy learns that night howlers are flowers she goes to Nick for help despite being a police officer and he forgives her for wronging him, that's why we want to see them fall in love with each other, could you imagine how different thing would be if she went to Bogo for help? It makes us happy to see them flourish and feel it necessary to get defensively aggressive when we have to consider that something this bad could happen to them. I too don't like this comic, but I'm not going to try to make Borba feel bad for making it.

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  22. Bummer, though i doubt that movie version of Judy would do this with her "try everything" style of life. And with abortion and everything, i myself could have been aborted, but my mom and her family refused. Still, i think that option should be here, we need more options, not less.

    And if some ppl are triggered by this comic, then you didnt understand the movie at all.

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    1. And this is why I say kudos to those who didn't like the comic - yet had the sense to not attack borba for doing it.

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  23. Thank you for posting this here. It is always interesting to read comic, that is really different to other ones. I need to say, that i don´t understand this hatred towards this comic. I respect if you say some constructive criticism, that is totally normal, and good also. But it doesn't need to be hated, because it is just different, for no other reason. If you don't like it, then criticist it respectfully and honestly to autor. But not just hate it. For me, when i read it first time, it really drove me in to the story (back then it was only to 16 pages only), but when i read it today, second time, i have to say, that something just wasn't right in the story for me. But i respect borba, and don't hate this comic.

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